I was speaking to a friend of mine who runs a PBA Experience league in Austin Texas. It is certified as a PBA Experience league, with the tapes sent in and all the other rules and regulations being followed. If you read this Steve, I did get the DVD from the league start-up kit thanks. Any way in our conversation he stated that there is no more Sports leagues persay, and all the Sports leagues fall under the PBA Experience tag. Does any one know this to be true?
I was also wondering how many other certified PBA or Sports leagues there are out there, as of now.
DrD, I got this from the sportleague section on bowl.com. There are 292 listed sport/pba leagues. The count includes adult, youth, and youth/adult leagues. There are more pba leagues listed but quite a few are just sport leagues. California has 27, NY has 24 and Wisconsin has 19, those are the top 3. There are 7 states with no sport/pba leagues. Arizona has 2 in Glendale and Kingman.
Tucson has a summer PBA Experience league, but I doubt that they would ever get a PBA/Sport league going during the regular season (fall/spring). Too many egos to get bruised when they find out that their 220+ average isn't even close to being real.
rvbowler: DrD, I got this from the sportleague section on bowl.com. There are 292 listed sport/pba leagues. The count includes adult, youth, and youth/adult leagues. There are more pba leagues listed but quite a few are just sport leagues. California has 27, NY has 24 and Wisconsin has 19, those are the top 3. There are 7 states with no sport/pba leagues. Arizona has 2 in Glendale and Kingman.
Doctor Doom: rvbowler: DrD, I got this from the sportleague section on bowl.com. There are 292 listed sport/pba leagues. The count includes adult, youth, and youth/adult leagues. There are more pba leagues listed but quite a few are just sport leagues. California has 27, NY has 24 and Wisconsin has 19, those are the top 3. There are 7 states with no sport/pba leagues. Arizona has 2 in Glendale and Kingman. Thanks Ray, I was just wondering if Sports Leagues, and PBA Leagues, were grouped together. I guess what I'm trying to ask, is a PBA Experience League considered a Sports League, and do all the oil patterns of both fall into the Sports Shot category.
Both type leagues are certified as sport leagues. The oiling patterns are specific to the type of league. The pba league I bowled in this past summer used the 5 pba patterns. I have not bowled in a sport league but I do not think they use any pba patterns strictly the sport league patterns, but I may be wrong.
rvbowler: Doctor Doom: rvbowler: DrD, I got this from the sportleague section on bowl.com. There are 292 listed sport/pba leagues. The count includes adult, youth, and youth/adult leagues. There are more pba leagues listed but quite a few are just sport leagues. California has 27, NY has 24 and Wisconsin has 19, those are the top 3. There are 7 states with no sport/pba leagues. Arizona has 2 in Glendale and Kingman. Thanks Ray, I was just wondering if Sports Leagues, and PBA Leagues, were grouped together. I guess what I'm trying to ask, is a PBA Experience League considered a Sports League, and do all the oil patterns of both fall into the Sports Shot category. Both type leagues are certified as sport leagues. The oiling patterns are specific to the type of league. The pba league I bowled in this past summer used the 5 pba patterns. I have not bowled in a sport league but I do not think they use any pba patterns strictly the sport league patterns, but I may be wrong.
There are essentially an infinite amount of Sports patterns to be created. To be designated Sport, a shot must meet a 3:1 ratio of the oil on the middle boards vs. the oil on the outer boards. Not to go back to elementary school logic, but all PBA shots are sport shots, but not all sport shots are PBA. There are currently five "critter" patterns for PBA: chameleon, shark, cheetah, scorpion, and viper. All of these patterns meet the new Sport ratio of 3:1. A PBA Experience league would theoretically concentrate on only those five patterns. However, some sport leagues have utilized US Open patterns, USBC Nationals patterns, USBC Youth Nationals, PWBA patterns and anything else they choose. These other sport patterns can be as flat as 1:1 or as high as 3:1. Since some leagues are not using only "critter" patterns, they opt to not use the "PBA" name because it doesn't reflect what they are doing.
In our case, we used the Youth Nationals pattern for round one and this round we're using "shark." We use each pattern for an 8-week round so people can better learn to attack the pattern and figure out how to play it based on their game. Bowling on a different pattern each week would really not teach people much because so much re-learning would have to go on. We have also intentionally eliminated the easiest patterns (cheetah) because we felt they weren't designed to really teach the bowlers much.
What I am most concerned with, given what we know about lane machines and lane surface issues that people get into the mistaken impression that no matter what the age of the lanes, the type of machine, the weather, and any other extenuating circumstances, that they come to believe that the only way to attack a certain pattern is the way PBA Experience materials suggest. We've seen success from the inside and the outside for different people on each pattern. It will always come down to how a particular bowler, his or her choice in equipment, and his or her game matches up with the pattern--NOT what the general concensus is. It's been that way for ages with people reading the graphs at Nationals, and Sport shots are the same. You need to figure out what works for YOUR game.
Cheetah is only easy if you can play the gutter or a breakpoint close to it. And the flip side of that is if your lane machine sucks and leaves oil on the outside boards on the backend. Now let's see how easy it is.
monster: Cheetah is only easy if you can play the gutter or a breakpoint close to it. And the flip side of that is if your lane machine sucks and leaves oil on the outside boards on the backend. Now let's see how easy it is.
I agree. If that pattern (applied close to the way it should play) was put down for a regular league shot, well you would see alot of (so called) high average bowlers "averages" go right down the toilet.
I hear many say the Cheetah pattern is so easy. Well, I've bowled on it and scored fairly well in a PBA X league, but it sure aint as easy as the USBC's standard approved house shot. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
If you're a "in the track player" and that's your game, you're screwed on the cheetah. How many people do you know that can actually play the twig without ditching it about every 3rd shot?.......................lol!
I can. Playing the twig was at one time my "A" game before the house shot forced me to move left and throw right. I can still do it quite well with a plastic ball on shorter patterns to the dismay of many a sheep.
I guess my point was the majority would not be able too......................
If my memory serves me correctly with the introduction of short oil, and the first legally blocked lanes, That is where the shot was, right up the 1, 2, 3, board. I remember the old gutter ball or strike shot. I agree with Randy, as the younger bowlers would have trouble playing the twig, us old timers, no problem.
Doctor Doom: If my memory serves me correctly with the introduction of short oil, and the first legally blocked lanes, That is where the shot was, right up the 1, 2, 3, board. I remember the old gutter ball or strike shot. I agree with Randy, as the younger bowlers would have trouble playing the twig, us old timers, no problem.
How much did you have to tip the pin boys back then old timer?
kmlongaz: Doctor Doom: If my memory serves me correctly with the introduction of short oil, and the first legally blocked lanes, That is where the shot was, right up the 1, 2, 3, board. I remember the old gutter ball or strike shot. I agree with Randy, as the younger bowlers would have trouble playing the twig, us old timers, no problem. How much did you have to tip the pin boys back then old timer?
viper? viper pba cheetah? cheetah pba
Randy, back to our conversation about these two patterns. The green ones come from the PBA Experience start-up booklet. The blue ones come from the PBA web site. I emailed the USBC Sport Bowling tech staff about the difference about which one is correct, and if the booklet was a typo. The answer I got back was the green are correct, that is the way they should be laid out. Their reasoning is to allow for a more even breakdown of the oil pattern, as there are more Righty's than Lefty's. I can see this being correct with the Cheetah, as the heavier oil starts around 3 board on the right, and 4 board on the left, not much of a difference, but maybe enough. The Viper on the other hand has a major difference from left to right, could be the reason that the 5 finalist Sunday were all left handed. No big deal just found this interesting.
