prunenow: Doom, you could be right and me wrong but I thought Mark told me some time ago that he was assigned the web master position. It's nice to know you are in a better position than me to know what I think and intend for my future, maybe I'll refer to you to see what else I think and intend to do. Don Gates
Doom, you could be right and me wrong but I thought Mark told me some time ago that he was assigned the web master position. It's nice to know you are in a better position than me to know what I think and intend for my future, maybe I'll refer to you to see what else I think and intend to do.
Don Gates
Don,
If you are going to steal excerpts from other posters writing I think you are supposed to give them credit with a footnote. I think you owe mightyfish an apology.
Ray, was not aware that I had done that but am not surprised that the ability of Doom to know what others think and intend to do extends will beyond just po little old me, now retired in Florida who is even now oh so sad over what another anonymous poster had to say about me.
Ray, you going to the convention and have marching instructions to vote for or against the proposed time line for mergers or canyou think for yourself if you are?
Our board votes every year for the delegates to vote their conscience unless a particular item is in direct conflict with the majority of our board. This has only happened on a few occasions.
PS Thanks Mark for letting us know that you all are aware of the problem, sometimes just a short note, goes a long way. Thanks again Mr. Moderator.
Doom, while I prefer the word 'corrected' to 'proven wrong' I can assure you I have no problem accepting corrections and my making your so called 180 changes in my posts pretty much reflects my ability to accept information that influences my thoughts, like the fact, not known to me at the time I posted, that there was no intention to include another bowling stadium in the move which is why I thought Texas was not a good place if that was the case.
I think many posters would agree that I often take the time to get the correct information and post it when what has been posted by others is not 'correct' with out lambasting them for not being 'correct' or even considering whether or not by doing so they may not be able to stand being proven wrong.
You may as well give up Doom. Don always gets the last word.
prunenow: Doom, while I prefer the word 'corrected' to 'proven wrong' I can assure you I have no problem accepting corrections and my making your so called 180 changes in my posts pretty much reflects my ability to accept information that influences my thoughts, like the fact, not known to me at the time I posted, that there was no intention to include another bowling stadium in the move which is why I thought Texas was not a good place if that was the case. I think many posters would agree that I often take the time to get the correct information and post it when what has been posted by others is not 'correct' with out lambasting them for not being 'correct' or even considering whether or not by doing so they may not be able to stand being proven wrong. Don Gates
You don't like the word WRONG, you prefer corrected. How many time have you called somebody WRONG, instead of saying, please let me correct you. Practice what you preach Mr. Gates.
You criticize, all who do not agree with you in your subtle, little condescending way. You accuse people of creating dragons to slay, you put down people because they want to retain their individuality, and do not want to merge. You accuse people of trying to read you mind, and foretell what you are going to do in the future. Believe me, reading your mind, is the last think I would like to do, if I wanted a lesson in ancient history, maybe. But then again you so freely tell us about all your past exploits. I do respect your past accomplishments, and the contributions you have made to the game, they are impressive, but what have you done lately Mr. Gates.
For all the passion you express for various topics, you actions are woefully lacking. You scream to the high heavens about bowling councils, and how they could be the savior of the game, on the local level. Yet you admit that none of these things are in place in your own Association, why. If they are so important to you, why aren't you trying to cram the idea down the throats of your local Association. Being the voice in the wilderness is one thing, making an effort to implement what you preach, is something else. I'm sure you know the relationship between actions and words. Lead by example.
Before you ask me what I have done, let me say one thing. I don't care if USBC survives. I do not bowl for the awards, I do not bowl for the money. I bowl because I like it, and will continue to like it, even if USBC is not around. I like the game for the game it's self. the challenge, the humbling, read this is a test. The camaraderie, the new friends, and meeting old friends again. Granted USBC has provided the venue to experience all this, but if it goes away something else will fill the void. After every disaster the foundation will likely survive, some thing will come along and rebuild on that foundation. Natural selection Don, if that means extinction for the old so it can evolve, then WOW we agree on something.
Until next time, oh by the way, I have posted my name on these boards many times, so I am not so anonymous as you imply. Even your good friend Mightyfish knows my name. Please don't tell him Fish, it's to much fun see him trying to figure it out, but I do suspect that he does know my name, and is playing one of his little games. Good try Don, but I won't tell you.
Doom, as you rightly point out I am ancient loaded down with a senior memory so I might have used the term 'you are wrong' and pointed it out but I don't remember ever doing that.
I would not mind at all writing what I have heard heard from official sources just who those sources are but they don't want me to do that and so I do not and only post what I do to try and put a stop to wrongful conjecture on those who like to guess and pretend it is more than that like those who like to post that BPAA is trying take over USBC and is looking out only for ther bottom line when that is not true and wanting to work together is their attempt to keep USBC from going under). I am sitting on something right now I would like to post but have been asked to and will honor that request but it will rival the move to Texas if it comes about and is pretty close to coming about but still may not.
As for what I have done lately, not that much and prefer it that way as I prefer to live the way I preach, wanting very much for younger generation men and women to take the reigns and not saddle locals with mostly aarp seniors like me calling the shots. I prefer those have served many years, like I have, to offer suggestions when asked for and volunteer for tasks when asked for and stay out of the way otherwise. I was a league rep and had my say about the need to merge in Leesburg and they did just that with no problems and are working out problems that come along as they come along and they do, like men vs women coming up in an election of president where there had seldom been competition for that post.
As for arguing forcefully for the need to merge at local levels, for smaller locals to merge, for a better top to bottom system to be put in place I do that without putting anyone down and welcome those who do not want to merge to post their good reasons why not merging is in the best interests of bowling, why not having local bowling councils is in the best interests of bowling but get little of that, it's just we don't want to and that's that.
I never said I would quit serving as a volunteer or bowl if the original SMO passed as many opposed to it used as an argument for not passing it. I take my losses pretty well and there have been many, including many that cost me quite a bit of money.
As for wanting to know your name that has not entered my mind at all, I could care less who you are, if you have any accomplishments as a bowler or volunteer, it's only what you have to say that may or may not be important in discussions on particular topics that matter to me. You can be a man, woman, little boy or little girl for all I care.
prunenow: Ray, was not aware that I had done that but am not surprised that the ability of Doom to know what others think and intend to do extends will beyond just po little old me, now retired in Florida who is even now oh so sad over what another anonymous poster had to say about me. Don Gates Ray, you going to the convention and have marching instructions to vote for or against the proposed time line for mergers or canyou think for yourself if you are?
Don, Is the amendment from last year being resurrected for this year?
cicada, this thread has gone way off topic since I made the mistake of thinking Mark Miller would be at the other end of an email to the webmaster and replies might be delayed if he is in Detroit for the Women's USBC National opening. So, to get it back on track please do not reply on this subject. I checked the amendments and indeed intentions to put in a timeline for merging of locals and smaller associations is not there this year.
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I guess the oops syndrome is back.
Hey site administrator something went wrong. You are too slow and make too many oopses. Why does it take so long? This is one of the slowest sites I go to.
Well, the forum "moderator/administer" made a post on 04/03/08 and said the (glitch) was being addressed. I'm guessing by the consistant amount of "OOPS" messages that the priority level of this problem is either (A) not a priority or (B) is being addressed by an IT illiterate.
Well I see things have not changed here either.
