The correct answer is no, but in actual practice, it does sometimes happen that way and both team captains will say...Heck....I don't want to have to come back and bowl these guys again, let's just finish this tonite.
Cicada49 is generally correct.
And as she said, the CORRECT answer is NO.
The potential "problem areas" (if the rules are enforced to the T) include the "changing" of the schedule (depending on how specific the league rules address scheduling and playoffs).
And it may be considered a minor detail, BUT Rule 113b(1e) indicates that playoff games do not count toward individual averages or special league prizes. Are those final-night regular schedule/playoff games to count for average? I would assume so.
Not only that, the league is, in essence, counting a single regularly-scheduled league night as a regular match AND a playoff match -- and that's a "grey area" at a minimum.
All good points. Excuse my long-windedness up front ...
In a typical "split" season, the two half-winners would bowl each other for the overall championship on the final night of bowling. This works best when there are an odd number of weeks to your season (for instance, with 35 weeks, you would have two, 17-week halves, with week 35 being your rolloff week).
Those not making the "rolloff" on week 35 would typically bowl a position round based on SEASON points won. One thing I observed years ago was that the team losing the rolloff did NOT necessarily finish in second place, but rather was placed based on their SEASON wins. This prevented a team from winning the first half and then bagging their way through the second half to keep their averages down.
The DISADVANTAGE of a split season is that the team that wins the most OVERALL points may not make the rolloff because they did not win a half. This was another reason for the above scenario -- though they did not win a half, the overall point leader would still get no less than second place.
One of my current leagues resolved this two years by instituting a modified split-season. Weeks 1-16 of 35 made up the first half, while weeks 17-32 made up the second half. After 32 weeks, each half had a winner. Week 33 is a position round based on TOTAL points. After week 33, the two half winners and the two top OVERALL teams that did not win a half ("wild cards") become your playoff teams. On week 34, the winner with the most overall wins bowls the wild card with the least overall wins, while the winner with the least overall wins bowls the wild card team with the most overall wins. All others bowl for position based on total points. On week 35, the previous week's runners-up bowl off for 3rd and 4th, while the previous week's winners bowl off for 1st and 2nd. Again, all others bowl for position based on total wins. Using this method, the team who wins the most points all season still has at least a chance of vying for the title.
Finally, as long as all 35 weeks are included in your schedule, any scores will count for league and national awards.
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Mike300Smith: The DISADVANTAGE of a split season is that the team that wins the most OVERALL points may not make the rolloff because they did not win a half. This was another reason for the above scenario -- though they did not win a half, the overall point leader would still get no less than second place.
Wanted to touch no this particular statement... It happens. If you know the setup going in, and you are the "best team" but don't win a half... Tough luck. I've been in leagues that have this and have fallen right into this situation. We know up front that we need to win a half to win the championship, thus we better make sure we win a half. There is prize money involved with it, thus every team knows this up front and knows the format.
I also bowl in a similar setup scenario you are describing and in this particular league, we love it. We have a 32 week season, and break the 1st and 2nd half into 14 week seasons. The winners of each half get a spot into the final championship format, and during week 29, the remaining teams bowl for the other 6 spots (we have a 14 team league). These six matches, winners get into the championship tournament while the other 6 fall into our 9th place through 14th place tournament side. Then we follow a bracket format with 1 vs 8, 4 vs 5 on one side, with 2 vs 7 and 3 vs 6 on the other... winners advance while the losers fall into our loser's side... Works very well and in the most cases, the team that gets hot at the right time wins it. My team was the #1 seed and we lost in the first round of the tournament to the #8 seed, and now we are bowling for no better than 5th place. And that #8 seed team won again, getting into the finals. It gives everyone a chance.
I like both setups... As long as you know what format the league is using...
and to answer the original question... NO. The last week of the half can't be used for the rolloff. It's a separate item. Especially if there is $$$ for the other teams if they advance up the standings and such.
Well here is how we do it. Split season 1st half winner gets $250. 2nd half winner gets $250.
On the last night wk 33, 1st & 2nd half winners bowl for an additional $875.
All other teams bowl like any other position night by overall wins. We pay by point. About $16 a point on a 7 point system. There are points awarded the last week.
I run a league that bowls for 35 weeks. We use a third format with 1 wildcard team (the team with the most total points after week 33) Each segment is 11 weeks to determine the winner. Week 33 we have the team that has already won a third and has the most points bowl the selected wildcard team. The other 2 winners of the third bowl each other. Everyone in the league bowls for $15 a point this 33 week. On week 35 the winners of the 2 matches play each other for the championship. Everyone in the league bowls for individual sweepers; I have 10 divisions with 3 payouts in each division.
Many leagues in my area use the third format or quarters
**Each third winner receives $600 dollars and the overall champion receives an additional $1,000
If and when you find something that works don't mess with it. I have seen many leagues get in trouble using something new and making half the league quit. If you league is in trouble try something new it can't hurt.
DM -- I'm with you. The plan we came up with above works for us, whereas the former plan (straight two halves, two half-winners rolloff on final night) had the team with the most season points on the outside looking in three out of the previous five seasons.
Mike do you pay off by position only? If so that would be a problem. We try to keep the league payoff where the last place team gets a pretty good payoff.
Jeff, That rule is for when your regular season has ended. Your team will bowl the team in second place with the most pins.
cicada49:Jeff, That rule is for when your regular season has ended. Your team will bowl the team in second place with the most pins.
Dear cicada49 and Jeffro:
You are correct.
However, keep in mind that ties for position pairings shall be determined by total pinfall WITHOUT HANDICAP, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY LEAGUE RULE.
