Ok, so i have checked the rule book and can not find an answer to my dilema. last week in my league i was in a bracket match and the guy i was bowling against threw his ball. initially it was a 9 count but pins were heading towards the standing pin. no one saw weather the pins knocked it down or the machine hit it. the automatic scorer showed a picture of a pin standing but gave him a strike. i believe that the pin should have been respotted, what should have happened?
if the pinsetter hadn't begun the process of cycling and no one saw how it happened, in my opinion, the score stands.
if the pinsetter HAD begun the process of cycling and no one saw how it happened, in my opinion, the score still stands.
if the guy admitted that the pinsetter knocked the pin down (assuming that's what happened--and that is a really big assumption), it should have been respotted.
if someone had seen it and could protest, it would be different.
guinevere:if the pinsetter hadn't begun the process of cycling and no one saw how it happened, in my opinion, the score stands. if the pinsetter HAD begun the process of cycling and no one saw how it happened, in my opinion, the score still stands. if the guy admitted that the pinsetter knocked the pin down (assuming that's what happened--and that is a really big assumption), it should have been respotted. if someone had seen it and could protest, it would be different.
Apply Rule 10, "Provisional Ball" to cover both scenarios and have the Board render a decision the following week.
my 0.02
Love2Bowl: guinevere:if the pinsetter hadn't begun the process of cycling and no one saw how it happened, in my opinion, the score stands. if the pinsetter HAD begun the process of cycling and no one saw how it happened, in my opinion, the score still stands. if the guy admitted that the pinsetter knocked the pin down (assuming that's what happened--and that is a really big assumption), it should have been respotted. if someone had seen it and could protest, it would be different.Apply Rule 10, "Provisional Ball" to cover both scenarios and have the Board render a decision the following week. my 0.02
oh, good call. my photographic memory is very not spot-on today. forgot about that one.
Go to the provisional ball -- however, no witnesses equals no case.
Also, from the OP's scenario, it sounds as if a bracket was riding on this call. I, for one, certainly would not want to hold bracket payoffs while waiting for this thing to settle.
If this happened in YOUR match, protest if you think there's a problem. If it didn't, let it go. This is why I use the "golf rule" -- don't take my eyes off the pins until ALL have stopped moving -- you just never know.
The OP also doesn't say whether it happened in game 3 or not. If so, is it worth the 15 bucks (assuming a typical 25/10 payout) to inconvenience everybody else? If it happened earlier, is it worth the potential 25 bucks?
This is why there is no "i" in team. If this is a singles league, this obviously does not apply and I apologize for my cynicism.
If no one saw what happened and the pin is not standing when the machine is done cycling, it should count as a strike. Just because the scorer shows a pin to be standing doesn't mean it wasn't knocked down before the rack hit it. Think about how many times you have seen a late "bird dog" knock a pin over just before the rack grabbed it. The machine scans for pins as the rack lowers, but there is time between when it scans and when the rack actually touches the pins.
Scoring units do not count as the "official" scorer of the match. That's why you can change the score if something is wrong. No pins on the deck + no witnesses to protest = strike.
