I seem to remember a few talented women appearing on the PBA so why is the PWBA even necessary?
skullpants, more questions. What I write is only opinion on what I think should be added to what others think for the filling of a blank slate BPAA/USBC should work really hard to fill wisely if they intend to make the partnership work. If you were to add some 'how' to what you would like to see it could be added and considered.
You want a tougher lane condition mandated for all certified bowlers, right? Well, help BPAA/USBC out by adding just how they should go about it. Say, you have a 2/1 ratio edge board to edge board for different distances down the lane which would certainly toughen things up to what it once was with the indiscirnible blend rule. How would you enforce it, what would be the penalties for non compliance, what would you do if BPAA tried it, did not like it, and told USBC to do something else or else because the bowlers did not like it and it was affecting their bottom lines?
If you don't want to tackle this one on your wish list, how about your 'things would be different view' if you were czar of a new organization that you want to see after you and others help USBC go out of business? If you had the exact amount of money to work with from present membership fees, about $25 million dollars, how would you spend it better if by chance USBC did not go away but offered you the opportunity to do so?
As for your question, I don't think there is an attempt to reestablish the PWBA as a separate organization. If PBA/PWBA was a single organization with offices in the same building with BPAA/USBC my view is that a better top to bottom organization that included regionals could, as one of the reigonal office roles, coordinate local support from all the centers they are responsible for, rather than one host center not being to count on much support from other centers, for a region wide promotion of national and regional events that move around to centers capable and willing to host with no need to lose money if they do it.
When I was promoting a PBA national spot on the Fall Tour in Syracuse I had promised support from Columbia and promised support from Marcel Fourner,in Rochester at his 80 lane center, for a PBA/PWBA mixed tournament where Syracuse would hold a qualifier for men or women, Rochester the other to determine mixed duo finalists who bowl a round of match play finals at each centerr. If it worked, the qualifying rounds would be reversed each year that the concept survived. PBA wanted nothing to do with helping women at that time so it never got a chance to succeed or fail.
I think both the men and women have a better chance to succeed in getting support from all the centers if their events move around within regions and promotions within all centers provide support for professional bowling and revenue for them. Is what I just wrote on the table for discussion where it counts? Probably not, but it could be if those who tune in here were to read it and think it is worth discussing; ditto for whatever you suggest.
Don Gates
Don !
Just checked the PBA sight and they have the Team USA selection process for 2009. Man if you didn't like the process last time I don't think your going to dig it this time around either. Sad way to do business.
E. Chase
echase: Don ! Just checked the PBA sight and they have the Team USA selection process for 2009. Man if you didn't like the process last time I don't think your going to dig it this time around either. Sad way to do business. E. Chase
Earl, when the current season of activities is completed I would like to see a listing of the events and who bowled in each of them, how many who were selected and how many who earned their spots in trials fared so far as bowling in the important events or any events at all.
Affordability remains far too important. Having to pay all your own expenses is ok for some very good bowlers, not ok for many very good bowlers, and ok for many not so good bowlers who compete just because they can.
prunenow: skullpants, more questions. What I write is only opinion on what I think should be added to what others think for the filling of a blank slate BPAA/USBC should work really hard to fill wisely if they intend to make the partnership work. If you were to add some 'how' to what you would like to see it could be added and considered. You want a tougher lane condition mandated for all certified bowlers, right? Well, help BPAA/USBC out by adding just how they should go about it. Say, you have a 2/1 ratio edge board to edge board for different distances down the lane which would certainly toughen things up to what it once was with the indiscirnible blend rule. How would you enforce it, what would be the penalties for non compliance, what would you do if BPAA tried it, did not like it, and told USBC to do something else or else because the bowlers did not like it and it was affecting their bottom lines? If you don't want to tackle this one on your wish list, how about your 'things would be different view' if you were czar of a new organization that you want to see after you and others help USBC go out of business? If you had the exact amount of money to work with from present membership fees, about $25 million dollars, how would you spend it better if by chance USBC did not go away but offered you the opportunity to do so? As for your question, I don't think there is an attempt to reestablish the PWBA as a separate organization. If PBA/PWBA was a single organization with offices in the same building with BPAA/USBC my view is that a better top to bottom organization that included regionals could, as one of the reigonal office roles, coordinate local support from all the centers they are responsible for, rather than one host center not being to count on much support from other centers, for a region wide promotion of national and regional events that move around to centers capable and willing to host with no need to lose money if they do it. When I was promoting a PBA national spot on the Fall Tour in Syracuse I had promised support from Columbia and promised support from Marcel Fourner,in Rochester at his 80 lane center, for a PBA/PWBA mixed tournament where Syracuse would hold a qualifier for men or women, Rochester the other to determine mixed duo finalists who bowl a round of match play finals at each centerr. If it worked, the qualifying rounds would be reversed each year that the concept survived. PBA wanted nothing to do with helping women at that time so it never got a chance to succeed or fail. I think both the men and women have a better chance to succeed in getting support from all the centers if their events move around within regions and promotions within all centers provide support for professional bowling and revenue for them. Is what I just wrote on the table for discussion where it counts? Probably not, but it could be if those who tune in here were to read it and think it is worth discussing; ditto for whatever you suggest. Don Gates
Try to stick to the topic Don. In my opinion the PBA has done enough to help the lady pros by allowing them the opportunity to compete in their events. PBA does not need to try and follow in the footsteps of USBC with one of those SMO concepts. They have far to little to gain and far to much to lose by trying to turn the PBA into the PWBA the way that USBC turned the ABC into the WIBC.
Skullpants, more to lose than the $25 million plus already lost by the owners of PBA? I don't know the source of your information but from what I hear the PBA is in dire need of better support from BPAA/USBC, dire need of better support for the corporate sponsors they have now.
Giving the women an opportunity to use one game on the PBA telecasts is a big plus for women's bowling but also a big plus for them if by doing so the ratings rise, more corporate sponsors sign on because the ratings rise. It would also be a big plus for PBA if a way could be found to persuade local bowling associations/bowling centers to support corporate sponsors of both.
I don't see that it is a big plus for PBA or USBC with the selection of PBA players to represent USA in events, other than wining many more gold medals. However, because I would like to see the selection process different does not mean I will not support the team, follow them, root for them to win. Because I would like to see a different way to do things with the junior bowling program at local levels does not mean I will not continue to coach juniors and do the best I can within the existing system. I have ideas about how to get a better bang for bucks spent in the efforts to restore women's professional bowling on tv but that does not mean I will not watch the shows, encourage others to watch and hope there is a great deal of success.
Skullpants, so far as your comments about what I should or not do they are much appreciated coming from people I have a lot of respect for, from others, in one ear and out the other. Your paragraph was nothing more than words, no meat in them, just words thrown out for whatever reason you may know but few others probably know or agree with.
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